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Do Nofollow Links Count?

Generally we say that nofollow links don’t count, but Ben
Fisher
actually found that they do help with ranking based on a small experiment he ran. He did an interesting study where he wrote on the SpiderMan
3 game
and then commented on other related blogs that linked back to his SpiderMan 3 post. The unique thing about the link was that it contained the anchor text "piderMan 3" and contained a nofollow, but within a short period of time his site ranked on the first page of Google for piderMan 3 Xbox and other terms.

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If you look at the image above it shows that there are 224 results for "piderMan 3 Xbox". This means that it should be fairly easy to rank for the term, but the actual blog post that ranks for the term doesn’t have the word piderMan anywhere within the content. The only reason I think it ranks is because the nofollow link contained the anchor text "piderMan".

I am not sure if the way Google looks at nofollows is currently messed up on their end or if they actually do count them, but based on this experiment it seems that they can help with rankings. What do you think?

This is interesting info… I never bothered with nofollow tags before

digitalbattle.com have recent comments autor links without nofollow. One of the experiment link was a comment in that blog.

IMHO: If Google knows “piderman 3″ equals “spiderman 3″ (see “Did you mean…” in the screenshot), then it knows that pages containing “spiderman 3″ are also relevant for query “piderman 3″. This experiment isn’t a good proof (althought I think Google counts nofollow links).

Sorry, I have to call BS on this one. The page contains the exact phrase “piderman 3″ and is part of the blog internal navigation. This has zero to do with nofollow links.

I have speculated for a while now that Google may count some nofollow links. It seems almost like the links do not effect the site that they are on, but they still effect the site they are linking to in some situations. Maybe, nofollow links are associated with some sort of trust ranking. If the site being linked to is trust-able, the links count, if it’s new or questionable they don’t.

I’ve seen this a few times with Wikipedia since the links were nofollowed. There was an immediate boost after a link was added even though it had nofollow attached to it. When the link was removed, the ranking went down.

Jeremy, thanks for the heads up… I missed the internal navigation. I guess I should never trust the search and find feature in IE 6. ;)

I think that this is very interesting, but have to say that I dont think it has anything to do with the comment he made. I think that its just a very easy keyword to rank high for…

Nofollow leaks anchor text. I tried it months ago by using a nonsensical nick on problogger. A few days later I was ranking first for that term. The effect is probably minor but still, nofollow doesn’t block anchor text completely.

Now show me a page that ranks for a completely made up word “without” the word being on the page and the only links using that anchor text being nofollowed. That I would be interested in.

I have done all types of testing in the past but might as well do a public one.

I will also have to do a test somewhere else because you have that horrible Typepad redirect script as well.

Mike Sansone published instructions on how to remove NoFollow and the redirect from comments on Typepad a while ago.

I ran a test back in January:

http://www.wagerank.com/2007/the-nofollow-experiment/

The results are that nofollow links won’t help you get indexed in Google or MSN, but it does help in Yahoo.

Jeremy is right. The test is invalid because “piderman 3″ occurs on the site itself but at least someone is testing the implementation. People should conduct nofollow tests periodically just to keep the research current.

Jeremy is right. The test is invalid because of the onsite occurence of ‘piderman 3′. Still, it’s good to see people poking the algorithm. SEOs just need to tighten up their testing tactics and the research will become more reliable.

well… i’ve seen a lot of blogs releasing their dofollow links lately.
so i think this may not be so important to bloggers.
off course if we’re talking about a commercial site… we should aways keep our ears up !

webee
[is a design blog]

Hi all,
Jeremy, where on the page do you see just the word “piderman 3″? I did not type it on the page intentionally and have looked a few times since this post and still do not see it.

Let me know, if that is correct then on to more testing..heh well I will be doing more testing anyway :P

Hola, alguien sabe como es que google calcula el pagerank, es k mis blogs una vez llegaron a tener 5 y 4 ahora tienen 3 y 2, a k se debe esto?
http://transformers-peru.blogspot.com
http.//cursosymanuales.blogspot.com
http://networking-solution.blogspot.com

Att
Arcangelion

Interesting experiment Neil.

Really interesting Blog…
I’m glad i found you!

I had posted this info on syndk8 in april.

Great info!!!
i just finished uploading my blog..
check it out!

http://modit.com.ar/

tell me qhat you think about it!
wy i still hav a PR 0?

Working on misspellings and human mistakes is a good way of doing SEO when you realise how much traffic you could get from those misspellings!

That is very interesting. I have been avoiding creating no-follow links for the past year or so. Those links can’t be that strong can they?

Hi there,
thats a quite interesting topic, thanks for informing us!
I had the intuition, that it would be like this, but I never have tested it.

I had always figured that even with nofollow the search engines may establish a small amount of value to a link depending upon it’s relationship to the content. Great experiment and thank you for sharing!

So the spammers also rocks.

Hi all. From an SEO point of view, i just noticed a really interesting quirk in Google spelling and SERP result with this phrase as well

Spider-Man 3 is how Sony / Marvel spell it hyphen and all, and Google have the whole top 50 just like that except one site and they will be juiced to the hilt,

and yet they offer “spiderman3″ and the correct spelling,,, no hyphen,
interesting stuff really,
i registered www.spider-man-3.info last month too, if anyone wants a crack at it,

Philski

It sounds feasible.However ,the amount of the index are only 224 .It’s need a more forceful proof-test.

Interesting, I am definately going to run my own tests and publish on my blog.

It would be interesting to see if a true test one done. I have seen yahoo count no-follow. The code needs to be cracked

I do not really think this experiment is relevant…

Google does not only search for direct word occurrences (in anchors or page content) but also takes into accounts keywords that are:

* misspelled forms
* have connection to keywords that appear in the page

So if the Google finds a relationship between “piderman3″ and “spiderman3″ (e.g. by finding both of these on a number of pages) then the results of the experiment can be interpreted alternatively.

I would suggest trying keywords that are unrelated, sth like “usjcnjsbhgauxas” ;-)
Good luck! A nice blog anyway!

michal

Yea, dofollow helps your rankings A LOT. I’ve been using it for a while.

When wikipedia decided to add nofollow to all their links, Matt Cutts said that he wouldn’t expect big chances in SERPs because of that. Hmmmm…

Find out a semi-obscure page in wiki (one which doesn’t draw much attention); create a page in your site which relates to that page; add some useful content on that page; create an external link to your page (and hope your contribution is meaningful enough so that nobody pulls your link); wait six months and see if your page raises in Google.

I’ve done it. And it works.

This isn’t an accurate experiment because Google is checking the spelling and the page already ranks high for the correct spelling.

A more accurate experiment would be to test it with a made-up word that doesn’t exist in the serps — something like “reijfsjfisajfis”.

i had a test for a while with a fresh domain (no backlinks) and put some Backlinks on it (all nofollow). some high-pr (6 and 7) also. but google doesn´t indexed the domain for a long time. but after some weeks/month it was indexed. i think its because of yahoo and msn, they get the domain and list it and so some other sites get the domain too (who get their results from yahoo and msn) and list it too and now the domain have some backlinks without no follow.
just my thoughts about that.

Thanks for sharing this. It confirms what I was already thinking.

Looks like it helps determine relevancy, not neccessarily improve ranking. I could fart this phrase to the top of the search engines. Its not hard at all.

Has anyone tried www.adzlive.com yet? It seems new. Looks interesting. They are offering webmasters(publishers) $25 for listing their site.

For me still working, I have good results doing NoFollow, but my results are better when I get more visits from that site.

i like it

Nice test, but nofollow don’t pass pr but pass trustrank.. is this true?

This has been my observation as well, although I’ve never performed an SEO experiment to verify it. Hopefully, this finding won’t trigger an avalanche of renewed blog comment spamming.

So, should i be using kewords missing their first letters?

Nice information for me, I am very new in SEO.

Pagerank is a strange alchemy…

Text Link Auction said:
“Hopefully, this finding won’t trigger an avalanche of renewed blog comment spamming.”

Nofollow is not an effective defense against comment spam. Spammers are interested in link volume. Most never check anything because they are sending out hundreds of comments per minute.

Nofollow means no reward for commenting, this has helped google deal with the volume of legitimate links in blogs. Like stopping the bank form giving out money because they may be a criminal.

Interesting.

Good and well thought testing, nothing better to make things clearer to us. I always thought so, know I’m pretty sure! Great article, thanks.

I think that nofollow keyword is definitely don’t count by Google bots!!

wow..this is a good find

Title: SEO Workers - Search Engine Optimization Consulting Services

Description: SEO company dedicated to furnishing the means necessary to make your web site easily indexed by
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I too commented in different blogs about that issue even before that experiment. but still there is no clear evidence there are some flaws in that experiment too.

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http://seoz.wordpress.com

yeahâ those NOFollow tags!
wonder what happen if we all start using nofollow on our websites?

Have a good one.

I think it is a complete crap shoot.

I think nofollow links are not giving any PR to the site, but the anchor text is still counted. So, basically Google uses nofollow links to “know” what the site is about, but not for rating it. Therefore, i guess no site can gain PR having only nofollow links, but it’s quite possible to raise it’s positions under some keywords that are not too popular, because where the keywords are popular the high PR sites will be on top.

I don’t know this information before. I have notice the comment follow site now. But, how about Page rank?is google will consider link from comment for page rank decision?

Great article, it started quite a debate.

It is a shame spamming brought about ‘No Follow’, but I guess we have to live with it.

Personally I am sure there is still some weight to No Follow links with regards to anchor text, not sure if there is anything else in terms of Page Rank etc’.

Interesting info… Is there any way we can check if a site/blog alows nofollow links?

Thanks

Is there anyway I can post with a link where it isn’t going to be removed as spam?
No follow links are not being indexed =(

I think nofollow is just a filter not to pass Page Rank or Trust Rank. But google and the other engines “follow” the links.

I think I would rather follow the no-follow ;)

Title: Search Engine Optimization

Does wordpress’ rss feed have trackback links without nofollow? In earlier wordpress versions the rss feed didn’t contain nofollow on the links, when the normal html version did.

PR will come, no need to rush it If you write good copy you’ll have nothing to worry about.

I have had this suspicion for a while now, that non-follow links actually count. Good post, it cleared a lot up for me. My experience was with multiple keywords, i had unintentionally created links all non-follow. To my suprise, i was ranking for those keywords within 3 weeks.

Andy

Wonderful and informative web site.I used information from that site its great.

I don’t get the whole thing.

I haven’t encountered no follow link tags yet..^^..lucky me!

Pretty nice site, wants to see much more on it!

WordPress automatically makes comments nofollows but I just have this feeling that it still counts. I’ll have to do more testing

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